[MATHEDCC] Retention

Bret Taylor (bret@IAG.NET)
Tue, 15 Apr 1997 16:56:05 -0400 (EDT)

A comment and a few questions (which you may or may not consider rhetorical)
about retention.

Comment:

There is a figure being thrown around at our school: We have a 13%
completion rate in our developmental math program. (Ever hear the one about
"figures don't lie, but liars can figure"?) This number is based on the
number of students who enroll in our 00122 or 0024 course divided into the
number of those same students who successfully pass 0024 within two years.
So, if you take 0012 make an A an never take 0024 you are not a completer.
(We have several AS programs, i.e. Nursing, that only requires 0012.) If
you take 0012, pass it and transfer to another school and pass 0024, you are
a non-completer. Etc, etc.

We asked for the following data (and have finally been given it): For the
past three semesters, what is our grade distribution for 0012 and 0024. We
were told that 61% of the students who enroll in a developmental course at
LSCC receive a grade of C or higher.

Questions:

Is it not obvious that 61% is a more meaningful figure than 13% ? (We may
debate how meaningful the 61% figure really is, but in comparison to the 13%
figure, isn't that a no-brainer?)

How does 61% C or higher compare to other institutions? (Public, private,
university, CC, open enrollment, competitive enrollment, etc.)

We were also told today that our Board of Trustees thinks that 61% is too low.
(We are an open enrollment state CC who uses the state-mandated placement
scores from the CPT.)

In closing:

On a lighter note, do you think Tiger Woods made the right decision leaving
Stanford before getting his degree? ;-)

bret

bret@iag.net (I haven't loaded a signature on this computer yet)
Lake-Sumter CC
Leesburg, FL

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