[MATHEDCC] Evening vs. Day -Reply

John Michels (MICJ@CHEMEK.CC.OR.US)
Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:12:45 -0800

The evening vs day class performances highlight a major problem with
politically correct solution strategies. Many of the most intransigent
problems are unaffected by parameters educators control. Throwing
more money/time/effort at the symptoms through programs that do not
address the real problems serves only to exacerbate those problems. If
the educational infrastructure, personnel, and procedures are not the
reason some students don't learn, there may be a politically incorrect
reason, but may not be investigated.

I am a strong advocate of education. Education can solve many
problems, and most problems cannot be solved without education and
understanding. However, education is not the answer to everything.
Promoting education as the answer to problems with causes unaffected
by eduction is counterproductive.

Hard problems often require sacrifice and politically volatile actions.
Specifying the solution before scientifically investigating the problem has
a low probability of success.

John Michels
Chemeketa Community College
micj@chemek.cc.or.us

>>> Al Roy <aroy@BRISTOL.MASS.EDU> 04/18/97 09:59am >>>
Hi All,
I wonder if any of you have had the same experience as I have with

evening and day classes. Let me begin by telling you that our day
classes
are composed of recent high school graduates. Our evening classes are
attended by mostly adults. I always teach a beginning Algebra both day
and
evening. The results are almost always the same.
This semester I
started with 30 students in the evening. I have 26 still enrolled and all
but two will probably get a grade of C or better. Attendance is excellent.
More than half the class has missed less than two classes. They pay
very
close attention to lectures. They do their homework.
During the day a class of 27 ends with about 15. Of these, 5 will
receive a D or F. Attendance is awful. Assignments are rarely done.
The foremat is different for day and evenings. Day classes meet three
times a week while evening classes meet only once.
I teach both the same way. I cover the same material. The rooms,the
book,etc. are all the same. There is probably more tutoring available
days. The format seems to also favor days. Yet evening success rates
are
astounding. Last term I had three 100's on the final in my evening class.
My highest grade in the day was 83.
No placement test is given in the evening. There is one for day
students.
I ask again, has anyone out there had the same or a similar
experience??
Keep The Faith.
Al Roy

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