Re: [MATHEDCC] Credit for Int Algebra

Al Roy (aroy@BRISTOL.MASS.EDU)
Wed, 04 Mar 1998 07:42:45 -0500 (EST)

Hi All, It is refreshing to read someone admit that our Comm. Coll.
developmental courses are inferior to an average high school course.
Our courses are vastly inferior to above average or honors courses.The 45
meetings versus 180 meetings is the reason as Ted said well. Keep the
Faith, Al Roy
On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, ted panitz wrote:

> In response to George's question, the Massachusetts Board of Higher
> Education several years ago passed a resolution stating that three years
> of high school math should be required as a prerequisite for college
> level math. The board had in mind elementarty algebra. geometry and
> intermediate algebra. At Cape Cod Com. Col. we previously gave
> graduation credit for elementary and Intermediate algebra. About ten
> years ago we revisited our graduation requirements and changed them to
> require college math for graduation with an Associates in Arts degree.
> The Associate in Science degree programs chose their own math
> rerquirements. The developmental math classes are now given
> institutional credit for financial aid purposes so students can get
> credit for full time status. They do not count towards graduation. This
> is also true for our developmental english courses.
> Interestingly some of the state colleges accept our intermesiate
> algebra as college math for some of their programs. This despite the
> Board's interest in maintaining a college level math rerquirement. In
> addition a number of other community colleges use intermediate algebra
> as a college math. This poses a little problem for us when our
> administrtion questions our math requirements in an attempt to make
> getting a degree easier for our students. We have been able to resist
> changes so far. There is currently a committee at the state level which
> is examining the entire developmental structure and another committee
> looking at the testing procedures used by all colleges to place
> students. Hold onto you hats for those results.
> Essentially our math faculty has determined that we are not even
> offering the same level courses as the high schools since we meet for 45
> sessions versus 180 in the high schools and the amount of material we
> cover is much less. I can personally verify that as I have observed and
> worked with my two sons who have gone up through calculus in high
> school. We do not come close to the coverage they had in their algebra
> courses.
> It would seem to me then that offering intermediate algebra as a
> college level course would be quite inappropriate. We use intermediate
> algebra as a prerequisite for Precalculus, which is college level
> algebra, and other math classes such as Statistics, Survey of Math and
> Business Math. Interestingly we do not offer any courses in geometry
> despite the Board's suggestion that this be a prerequisite for college
> math. God forbid if we should try to add an extra course which might
> benefit our students but require extra time or effort? (Sorry about the
> editorial comment but I couldn't resist)
>
> Regards,
> Ted Panitz tpanitz@cape.com
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