Re: [MATHEDCC] Just a question.

Lillie Crowley (lillie@POP.UKY.EDU)
Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:30:15 -0500

Tony,

I think your Calculus III students have decided they can get it by osmosis.

I can't get my Calculus II students to do any homework, either. And they
are (almost) all engineering students who plan to transfer to the
University of Kentucky. It's a mystery. I don't think the phenomenon has
anything to do with the curriculum, or standards implementation. I think
it's cultural. I hear the same complaints at all levels, from
instructors in both traditional and reform curricula. We have sooooooo
many people going to college these days, and community colleges fall all
over themselves to give students multiple chances to succeed (at least mine
does), IMHO we don't make them take responsibility for their lives, their
academic success, etc.

I'll write again the next time I have something cheery to contribute!

Lillie

At 09:25 AM 11/17/98 +0500, Tony Jenkins wrote:
>I have noticed this trend as well. Most of my students, even in Calculus
II, are
>doing virtually no homework. What is really strange is that overall
attendance is
>better than normal.
>
>Tony Jenkins
>Northwestern Michigan College
>Traverse City, MI
>
>Bret Taylor wrote:
>
>> I'm doing any formal survey, but just want to know if we are alone at LSCC.
>> We are a small public, open door, community college. We have 6 faculty
>> members in math who have been here at least 4 years. (4 have been here at
>> least 10 years.)
>>
>> All of us have noticed a dramatic decrease in the ability, and/or work
ethic
>> of our students this term. Not just one particular class. Not just first
>> time in college students. But, from developmental arithmetic through
Calculus.
>>
>> Not really looking for a philosophical debate on the topic. More just
>> wondering if anybody else has noticed the same thing. Hopefully, it is a
>> one semester aberration. (Something about stastically speaking, we can
>> predict that unusual events will occur, we just can't predict when or
where.)
>>
>> Bret Taylor Lake-Sumter Community College Leesburg FL
>>
>> "It matters not the subject taught, nor all the books on all the shelves.
>> What matters more, yes most of all, is what the teachers are themselves."
>> John Wooden
>>
>> John 3: 3^3 + 3
>>
>>
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