Re: [MATHEDCC] What's wrong with education anyway?

Kate Acks (kathy.acks@mauicc.Hawaii.Edu)
Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:51:34 -1000

Thank you Bret - very well stated. When we as faculty are endanger of a lawsuit
because the grade we give a student does not represent anything and a company has
hired that student based on our recommendation (assuming that a grade of A or B
indicates at least some basic level of knowledge) things will continue. I even
refuse to give a D unless a student has earned that!! Students are very capable
of learning more, and it is far better to raise the level than to continue having
the level lowered.

Aloha Kate

Bret Taylor wrote:

> I just read with great interest Vern Kays e-mail on the dangers of
> standardization and "teaching the test." I agree in principle with much of
> this message.
>
> But, I think we as teachers need to accept our fair share of the blame for
> declining standards.
>
> Students are being passed along without learning anything. I could go into
> a great diatribe, but I'll try to refrain. Just some anecdotal evidence to
> support my position:
>
> Student A has made 30's on three straight tests. He asks me if he can do a
> bulliten board to bring his grade up to a C.
>
> Student B says, "I'm failing. What are you going to do to get me a passing
> grade?"
>
> Student C makes a B in every year of High School math, including
> trigonometry. This student plaecs into developmental mathematics in college.
>
> Student D tells me, "I don't have to know the quadratic formula. I have a
> program on my calculator that gives me the answer." When I point out, among
> other things, that the program gives wrong answers, the student replies, "It
> can't. If my calculator says it, it must be right."
>
> Student E takes AP calculus in High School. He makes a 1 on the AP exam.
> He, by an articulation agreement between our community college and the local
> school district, places directly into my calculus class. He makes a 12 and
> a 7 on the first two exams. He withdraws. I do a little research. He was
> in an AP calculus class with 6 students. The grades they made on the AP
> exam were five 1's and one 2. All six students had a final average of 95 or
> higher in the course.
>
> I could go on and on. But, until we as teachers stand up and say, "A
> transcript is almost sacred to a teacher. The grade on that transcript
> means something. I will not put a grade on a transcript that I do not
> think, in my professional opinion, most accurately reflects your knowledge
> of the course."
>
> One last comment: Lest anyone think I'm pointing the finger at high school
> teachers alone, I'm not. I'm sick and tired of teachers telling me how ill
> prepared they are when they come into the class. And how poor their study
> habits are. How how little effort they put forth. (And how vividly they
> state their opinion of the students' intelligence.) But, when the end of
> the semester comes, these very same students make A's and B's. When I ask
> the teacher to explain, the answer is usually something like, "Well, if I
> held them to a reasonable standard they'd all fail."
>
> Folks, where there is no possibility of failure, there is no chance of success.
>
> I'll climb back down off my soap box now. Thanks for letting me vent. :-)
>
> Bret Taylor "It matters not the subject taught,
> Lake-Sumter Community College nor all the books on all the shelves.
> Leesburg, FL What matters more, yes most of all,
> John 3:3^3+3 is what the teachers are themselves."
> John Wooden
>
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